feminism is not all bad ...
> In the end, I give feminism credit for giving women a
> way to
collectively voice their opinions, ideas, and
> concerns at a time when
their point of views weren't
> being considered or even valued.
Not really true.
1. The views of 'men' were no more important than those of women. i.e.
nothing has really changed.
Historically, both men and women were
subjected to huge forces of various kinds of oppression; e.g. religious.
And men were always considered more expendable than women, and treated as
2. However, when it came to 'tackling the environment' (e.g. dealing
with nature, technology, war, defence, building things etc etc) it was
men, mostly, who did it. And so their views about such matters tended to
be considered superior - and quite right too. Men were/are superior to
women when it comes to such things.
women were not being discriminated against, they were
Indeed, women were not being discriminated against, they were being protected.
3. Look at the **numerous** magazines for women over the past 100 years. There are
loads of them - written and read mostly by women. They are full of advice
and opinions about women's lives, their aspirations, their families, their
love lives, and so on. My point being that women have been 'voicing their
opinions' and ideas since time immemorial.
Where were the magazines for men?
They hardly existed - except for the softcore variety.
You are just plain wrong to believe that feminism gave women a voice.
Women have always had a voice.
(Who brings up the children and, hence, indoctrinates them?)
And notice that most of those oldie magazines for women did not approve
of feminist ideas about women.
In other words, *****WOMEN****** were saying, "No, thank you," to those
Here is an example of women promoting their own idea of womanhood in
the very popular Woman's Weekly magazine of 1969 ...
Quite clearly, in the eyes of the women who produced this magazine -
and of those who bought it by the million - girls cooked.
Feminists would like you to think that men were 'oppressing' women for
all that time, but if you look at those magazines you will see that it was
women, themselves, who were deciding what was right or wrong for them.
Furthermore, if you look at feminists' writings in the mid 19th
century, you will not find them talking about 'oppression', domestic
violence or rape. Their main complaint was that women seemed to have
nothing to do once the children were grown.
most women in the 70s had, rightly or wrongly, a
very low opinion indeed of 'feminists'.
Furthermore, I can assure you that most women in the 70s had, rightly
or wrongly, a very low opinion indeed of 'feminists'.
Yes, the men did not like them either. But my point is that WOMEN were
choosing what they wanted and also choosing how they felt about feminists.
Then, as time marched onwards, and the hateful, man-hating media
feminists took over the mainstream, and lied and lied and lied, in order
to pursue their hateful agenda, WOMEN were gradually persuaded to follow
But, once again, it was the WOMEN who chose to do this.
4. Your view that women's points of view were not valued prior to
feminism made me laugh. If anything, women's points of view are far less
valued now as a result of feminism - certainly in my case.
True; their views about what was going on outside of the domestic
situation and the neighbourhood were not as valued as the views of men -
because it was men, mostly, who tended to venture into the horrible world outside;
but this was hardly the 'fault' of men, was it?
who do you think dominated the localities where the
women and children lived?
Furthermore, who do you think dominated the localities where the women
and children lived?
Feminists like to pretend that they are the reason for all sorts of
goodies that western women now enjoy, but the truth is that they achieved
virtually nothing - apart from causing a great deal of unhappiness and
And the precious little that they have 'achieved' has been completely
swamped by the negative consequences arising out of their malevolence e.g.
see The Benefits of Feminism.
Feminists, together with those working in the abuse industry, and with those
grubby, self-serving shysters in government circles who want to keep
disrupting our societies, have been a mighty curse on us all - and
continue to be so.
And the wonderful freedoms that western women and men now enjoy arise mostly out of the
developments in science, medicine, and technology - driven mostly by men.
For example, the two men who invented Google will do far more to benefit women than
all the feminists in the world have ever done.
5. Even in places like Saudi Arabia, if one excludes the huge
domination of religion (which impacts men just as much as women) it is
women, themselves, who decide what they wish to do. And so, for example,
the fact that women are not permitted to drive cars in Saudi - a hallmark
of male oppression according to western feminists - turns out to be
something that women, themselves, are demanding. And one Saudi minister
who was recently asked about this alleged oppression, shrugged his
shoulders and stated that it was very difficult to change the driving laws
because both men and women - in roughly equal numbers - throughout the
land were against such a change and were vociferously campaigning against
> That women had to
> conform to these ridged ideas and
> they couldn't be anything other than wives
> mothers. I have no problem with a woman being a wife
and mother if it was her CHOICE.
Mostly, IT WAS THEIR CHOICE!!!! Please stop believing this nonsense
about women being dragooned into marriage. If anything, it was MEN who
were pressured into marriage.
Think about what young men (more so than young women) really like to
get up to when it comes to the opposite sex.
Marriage is not on their minds!
Far from it.
Indeed, the whole notion that men had far more CHOICE than women is
just hokum - unless, of course, you reckon that being able to choose
whether to join the army or work 16 hours/day in a factory, or down a
mine, or in a solicitor's office or on a farm is CHOICE.
Let me put it this way: When the world out there is pretty dire, most
young women would CHOOSE the option of being a mother at home while
someone else ventured out to earn some money.
Think about it.
What would life have really been like for women with children in those
days without the 'deal' that marriage gave them?
There were no welfare benefits, no police officers, no social services,
and not much hope of being able to make a living without being worked to
As such, I can assure you that women mostly CHOSE to get married.
And the same is pretty much true today despite all the feminism that we
have had to endure.
Ask your girlfriends what they would like to do.
Ask your girlfriends what they would like to do.
I would bet that most of them would still like to find a nice young man
(preferably a rich one) and get married to him - and have children.
Indeed, even the French feminist Simone de Beauvoir stated in a 1976
interview with Betty Friedan, that “no woman should be authorized to stay
at home to raise her children…because if there is such a choice, too many
women will make that one.”
Indeed, as a further example of this, it was only a few weeks ago that
I saw some farmers complaining about the fact that when women started to
become vets in greater numbers, farmers could not get any veterinary help
outside office hours.
And so, for example, if one of their animals required urgent treatment
in the middle of the night, it was just tough, because no female vet would
How many women wanted to become vets 50 years ago
So, tell me. How many women wanted to become vets 50 years ago when
vets were expected to work all hours?
And who, in their right minds, would have wanted women to become vets
given that women were likely to provide them with a very poor service?
Recall also that most motor vehicles in those days were fairly
unreliable - making it very difficult and dangerous for women to travel
alone at night.
In other words, the increasing reliability of motor vehicles, far more
so than feminism, both allowed and encouraged more women to become vets.
Let me put it this way.
If motor vehicles suddenly became as cranky, as dirty, and as
unreliable as they were 50 years ago, very few women indeed would choose
to become vets.
i.e. NOTHING TO DO WITH FEMINISM!
And 50 years before that, the vets came out to emergencies riding on a
Yep. I can just imagine women wanting to do that in the dead of night.
In other words, you can forget all this man-hating nonsense about 'men
holding women back in the workplace'.
The women, THEMSELVES, did not
even want to be in the workplace.
> I feel that for all the positives
> of that time, there were
negatives. That women had to
> conform to these ridged ideas and
But the men didn't, eh?
Come on, wake up.
For every aspect of life wherein women were handed what would now appear to
be a raw deal, men would mostly have had it worse; and they would also have had
it worse in other areas too - areas that do not seem to count when it
comes to talking about how people were being treated in those days.
The suffering of men is hidden. The suffering of women is highlighted
> Feminism showed women that it
> was alright for them to strive for
the things that
> socially, they weren't supposed to.
Nope, it didn't. Certainly no more than many other concepts that
were spinning around at the time - liberty, freedom, birth control.
Indeed, in some countries of the east (cannot remember which ones)
there is no 'feminism' at all, and yet women reach the highest offices.
Of course, there is a general psychological inertia when women first
start to do men's jobs, and vice versa, and there is also some opposition
to such new things, but you would be wrong to believe that feminism was
the major player in overcoming this inertia.
On the contrary, my view is that the feminists made both men and women
resist the changes far more strongly than they would otherwise have done.
if anything changed the cultural climate for both men
and women in the 60s in 70s it was music
Furthermore, if anything changed the cultural climate for both men and
women in the 60s in 70s it was music.
It was the pop music being created by young people (e.g. the Beatles,
the Rolling Stones, the Doors, etc etc etc) together with the increasing
desire of youngsters to resist the traditional authorities, that
gradually blew apart traditional
expectations - with hardcore hippies, I suppose, being an extreme example
of the result.
Nothing to do with feminists.
Look also, for example, at the poorer countries and at how hard women
work in all sorts of areas together with their men without any need for
And in the USA, for example again, women were getting 33% of all degrees in the 1930s, well before
feminism had gotten its ugly grip.
I could go on, but as far as I am concerned, feminism is an ideology of
hatred, and we would have *all* been far better off by now without it.
Furthermore, feminism does not represent the interests of women -
certainly not women like you - and if you read my website more fully you
will surely see that feminism will destroy any society that takes it up.
It simply cannot survive.
And a great deal of unhappiness is going to be generated throughout our
own society as its malign influences gradually poison us all and we are
slowly washed away into cultural oblivion by those societies wherein women
CHOOSE to have lots of children.
The Maths alone tells you why feminism is a recipe for degradation and
Furthermore, youngsters like you do not know what it is like to live in a
society free from all the hatred towards men being engendered by feminists
- and all the consequences.
both men and women would be far better off without
And I can assure you that both men and women would be far better off
without feminists. Furthermore, they would get along far better with each
And the only reason that feminism survives is because it is
***continually*** being propped up and promoted by very powerful groups
(such as governments) which profit hugely by the disharmony that feminism
causes to people.
Finally, the idea that women in the west have been more 'oppressed'
than men since
time immemorial is utter nonsense.
On the contrary ...
Apologies for sounding so aggressive in response to your email.
This really wasn't warranted; and your email was, indeed, very much
So, thank you.